Created by the Value Team at Schroders, the Value Perspective podcast takes a look at decision making in complex and uncertain environments.
Episodes
Thursday Jan 25, 2024
Thursday Jan 25, 2024
Welcome to Allocator’s Edge, a Value Perspective podcast mini-series where we will be engaging in conversations with some of the world’s top capital allocators. In an environment of heightened inflation and interest rates, we aim to unravel how and why capital allocators make the decisions that they do. The series will shed light on the inner workings of capital allocation to help listeners gain a better understanding of mandates and the intricate dance between strategy and reality. New episodes of the Allocator’s Edge will be released on alternating Thursdays.
In this first episode, we welcome Greg Schuler, CIO of Geisinger, a regional healthcare foundation in the US. Greg started out in the oil and gas industry, which he credits with helping him shape his view on risk. He then moved into venture capital during the tech bubble, another formative influence on his current outlook. After this he took a series of CIO roles: first with Jerry Kohlberg, one of the Ks in KKR; then BJC, a large hospital system in Missouri; then as CIO of the University of Pittsburgh endowment; before starting at Geisinger.
The episode is hosted by Andy Evans, a fund manager on Schroders’ Global Value Team. Andy co-manages UK Income, European Income, European Recovery, and European Sustainable strategies.
Greg and Andy discuss: what Geisinger is and how it was set up; what cashflow requirements look like for a hospital foundation and how they differ from a university; how Greg thinks about time in the fundamentals of the assets Geisinger are looking to materialise; the importance of communication with your investment committee; and how to apply the way surfers understand waves to how we invest. Enjoy!
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Important information. This podcast is for investment professionals only.
Marketing material for Financial Professionals and Professional Clients only. The material is not intended to provide, and should not be relied on for, accounting, legal or tax advice, or investment recommendations. Reliance should not be placed on any views or information in the material when taking individual investment and/or strategic decisions.
Past Performance is not a guide to future performance and may not be repeated. Diversification cannot ensure profits or protect against loss of principal. The value of investments and the income from them may go down as well as up and investors may not get back the amounts originally invested.
Exchange rate changes may cause the value of investments to fall as well as rise. Investing in emerging markets and securities with limited liquidity can expose investors to greater risk. Private assets investments are only available to Qualified Investors, who are sophisticated enough to understand the risk associated with these investments. This material may contain “forward-looking” information, such as forecasts or projections. Please note that any such information is not a guarantee of any future performance and there is no assurance that any forecast or projection will be realised.
Reliance should not be placed on any views or information in the material when taking individual investment and/or strategic decisions. The views and opinions contained herein are those of the individuals to whom they are attributed and may not necessarily represent views expressed or reflected in other Schroders communications, strategies or funds. Any reference to regions/ countries/ sectors/ stocks/ securities is for illustrative purposes only and not a recommendation to buy or sell any financial instruments or adopt a specific investment strategy.
Any data has been sourced by us and is provided without any warranties of any kind. It should be independently verified before further publication or use. Third party data is owned or licenced by the data provider and may not be reproduced, extracted or used for any other purpose without the data provider’s consent. Neither we, nor the data provider, will have any liability in connection with the third party data.
Monday Jan 08, 2024
Monday Jan 08, 2024
We kick off 2024 with a fun episode featuring some of our favourite guests. Author and Director of Research at St James Place, Joe Wiggins, plays host and moderator in a Quality vs Value debate between Simon Hallett, the former CIO of Harding Loevner and owner of Plymouth Argyle football club, and Andy Evans, a portfolio manager at Schroders. The episode explores how two different investors think about markets and assets, the pain points in being a Quality or Value investor and the temperament you need for each style. The debate covers: how Simon and Andy define their own way of investing; how to assess a manager’s style by looking at their top 10 holdings as well as their emotional reactions; difficulties in extending time horizons; how each manager would manage money on the other side of the style spectrum; and finally how to deal with an investable universe that has become unusually expensive and whether to compromise on quality or valuation. Enjoy!
NEW EPISODES:
We release main series episodes every two weeks on Mondays. You can subscribe via Podbean or use this feed URL (https://tvpschroders.podbean.com/feed.xml) in Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Google Podcasts and other podcast players.
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Important information. This podcast is for investment professionals only.
Marketing material for Financial Professionals and Professional Clients only. The material is not intended to provide, and should not be relied on for, accounting, legal or tax advice, or investment recommendations. Reliance should not be placed on any views or information in the material when taking individual investment and/or strategic decisions.
Past Performance is not a guide to future performance and may not be repeated. Diversification cannot ensure profits or protect against loss of principal. The value of investments and the income from them may go down as well as up and investors may not get back the amounts originally invested.
Exchange rate changes may cause the value of investments to fall as well as rise. Investing in emerging markets and securities with limited liquidity can expose investors to greater risk. Private assets investments are only available to Qualified Investors, who are sophisticated enough to understand the risk associated with these investments. This material may contain “forward-looking” information, such as forecasts or projections. Please note that any such information is not a guarantee of any future performance and there is no assurance that any forecast or projection will be realised.
Reliance should not be placed on any views or information in the material when taking individual investment and/or strategic decisions. The views and opinions contained herein are those of the individuals to whom they are attributed and may not necessarily represent views expressed or reflected in other Schroders communications, strategies or funds. Any reference to regions/ countries/ sectors/ stocks/ securities is for illustrative purposes only and not a recommendation to buy or sell any financial instruments or adopt a specific investment strategy.
Any data has been sourced by us and is provided without any warranties of any kind. It should be independently verified before further publication or use. Third party data is owned or licenced by the data provider and may not be reproduced, extracted or used for any other purpose without the data provider’s consent. Neither we, nor the data provider, will have any liability in connection with the third party data.
Monday Dec 18, 2023
Monday Dec 18, 2023
In the final Value Perspective podcast of 2023 our guest is Ian Lance, a UK value fund manager at Redwheel (formerly ‘RWC Partners’). Before joining Redwheel, he was a fund manager here at Schroders, where he worked very closely with Nick Purves. Nick Purves was a mentor to Nick Kirrage and Kevin Murphy in their early careers and coined a saying that has been passed on to every value investor at Schroders, that if no companies in a portfolio are going bankrupt on a yearly basis, then you’re not taking enough risk. While working at Schroders in 2010, Ian had the very bright idea to start a blog that went on to become the Value Perspective. Ian discusses with us; what it was like to work with Nick Purves at the start of the Value Perspective; what has changed and what has stayed the same in the City of London over his four-decade career; co-management and the risk of confirmation bias; what is the most difficult thing about value investing in today’s market; and finally, is the UK a dead asset class? Enjoy!
NEW EPISODES:
We release main series episodes every two weeks on Mondays. You can subscribe via Podbean or use this feed URL (https://tvpschroders.podbean.com/feed.xml) in Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Google Podcasts and other podcast players.
GET IN TOUCH:
send us a tweet: @TheValueTeam
Important information. This podcast is for investment professionals only.
This information is not an offer, solicitation or recommendation to buy or sell any financial instrument or to adopt any investment strategy.
Any data has been sourced by us and is provided without any warranties of any kind. It should be independently verified before further publication or use. Third party data is owned or licenced by the data provider and may not be reproduced, extracted or used for any other purpose without the data provider’s consent. Neither we, nor the data provider, will have any liability in connection with the third party data.
Reliance should not be placed on any views or information in the material when taking individual investment and/or strategic decisions. Any references to securities, sectors, regions and/or countries are for illustrative purposes only. The views and opinions contained herein are those of individual to whom they are attributed, and may not necessarily represent views expressed or reflected in other communications, strategies or funds.
The value of investments and the income from them may go down as well as up and investors may not get back the amounts originally invested. Exchange rate changes may cause the value of any overseas investments to rise or fall.
Past Performance is not a guide to future performance and may not be repeated.
The forecasts included should not be relied upon, are not guaranteed and are provided only as at the date of issue. Our forecasts are based on our own assumptions which may change.
Monday Dec 04, 2023
Monday Dec 04, 2023
This week we welcome value investing heavyweight Mohnish Pabrai to the Value Perspective. Mohnish is the founder and Managing Partner of Pabrai Investment Funds, the founder of the Dakshana Foundation, a close friend of Warren Buffet, and a frequent bridge opponent of Charlie Munger. He joins us to discuss how his father’s entrepreneurialism shaped his understanding of risk; his commitment to giving everything away to Dakshana during his lifetime following the great example of Chuck Feeney; the rationale behind cloning as a strategy; why he never went for the insurance model; and concentration and ergodicity. Enjoy!
NEW EPISODES:
We release main series episodes every two weeks on Mondays. You can subscribe via Podbean or use this feed URL (https://tvpschroders.podbean.com/feed.xml) in Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Google Podcasts and other podcast players.
GET IN TOUCH:
send us a tweet: @TheValueTeam
Important information. This podcast is for investment professionals only.
This information is not an offer, solicitation or recommendation to buy or sell any financial instrument or to adopt any investment strategy.
Any data has been sourced by us and is provided without any warranties of any kind. It should be independently verified before further publication or use. Third party data is owned or licenced by the data provider and may not be reproduced, extracted or used for any other purpose without the data provider’s consent. Neither we, nor the data provider, will have any liability in connection with the third party data.
Reliance should not be placed on any views or information in the material when taking individual investment and/or strategic decisions. Any references to securities, sectors, regions and/or countries are for illustrative purposes only. The views and opinions contained herein are those of individual to whom they are attributed, and may not necessarily represent views expressed or reflected in other communications, strategies or funds.
The value of investments and the income from them may go down as well as up and investors may not get back the amounts originally invested. Exchange rate changes may cause the value of any overseas investments to rise or fall.
Past Performance is not a guide to future performance and may not be repeated.
The forecasts included should not be relied upon, are not guaranteed and are provided only as at the date of issue. Our forecasts are based on our own assumptions which may change.
Monday Nov 20, 2023
Monday Nov 20, 2023
As we near the end of the ten-year birthday celebrations of the Schroder Value Team we welcome two guests who were with us at the beginning of those ten years. Jamie Lowry and Ian Kelly are former members of the Value Team at Schroders, who departed to work for Prem Watsa, known as the Canadian Warren Buffett, managing the European investment book of Fairfax Financial. They left a lasting legacy with the Value Team with one of Ian’s TVP pieces, Hot Iron Trial by Ordeal: A Thirteenth Century Lesson for Investors, remaining one of our most read articles for many years after his departure. Kevin Murphy is the host for this episode, which covers: the journey from Schroders’ Value Team to Fairfax Financial; the difference between working for a long only fund and investing as part of a large insurance organisation; underperformance as part of a value team within an insurance company during the very tough years of 2019 and 2020; the beliefs they formed during their time with the Value Team and how these have been tested working at Fairfax Financial; and finally, their thoughts on private versus public investments. Enjoy!
NEW EPISODES:
We release main series episodes every two weeks on Mondays. You can subscribe via Podbean or use this feed URL (https://tvpschroders.podbean.com/feed.xml) in Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Google Podcasts and other podcast players.
GET IN TOUCH:
send us a tweet: @TheValueTeam
Important information. This podcast is for investment professionals only.
This information is not an offer, solicitation or recommendation to buy or sell any financial instrument or to adopt any investment strategy.
Any data has been sourced by us and is provided without any warranties of any kind. It should be independently verified before further publication or use. Third party data is owned or licenced by the data provider and may not be reproduced, extracted or used for any other purpose without the data provider’s consent. Neither we, nor the data provider, will have any liability in connection with the third party data.
Reliance should not be placed on any views or information in the material when taking individual investment and/or strategic decisions. Any references to securities, sectors, regions and/or countries are for illustrative purposes only. The views and opinions contained herein are those of individual to whom they are attributed, and may not necessarily represent views expressed or reflected in other communications, strategies or funds.
The value of investments and the income from them may go down as well as up and investors may not get back the amounts originally invested. Exchange rate changes may cause the value of any overseas investments to rise or fall.
Past Performance is not a guide to future performance and may not be repeated.
The forecasts included should not be relied upon, are not guaranteed and are provided only as at the date of issue. Our forecasts are based on our own assumptions which may change.
Monday Nov 06, 2023
Monday Nov 06, 2023
This week on the Value Perspective, we’re delighted to be joined by Joe Peta. Joe is the author of Moneyball for the Money Set, which explains how techniques gleaned from sport analytics can help to predict the returns of portfolio managers with startling accuracy. Before putting pen to paper, Joe started his career at Lehman Brothers before moving to Nomura. He then moved over to the buy side, working for Novus Partners, Kingsford Capital Management and Point72. To chat with Joe, Andy Evans from the Value Team is joined by Robert Donald, Chief Investment Officer of Schroder GAIA Helix. Robert’s quant skills make him an ideal co-presenter for this episode. Robert, like Joe started on the sell side as an equity analyst before moving to GLG Partners where he ran a long-short strategy. He also worked for Soros Fund Management and Brummer and Partners before joining us as Schroders in 2017. In this episode we discuss: Joe’s method for breaking down performance in a way that assesses skill, including hit rates, explosiveness, magnitude, scaling, and sizing; parallels with sports analytics and applicability for assessing skills for different types of investors; Goddard’s Law; Managers’ deficiency at sizing decisions; and finally, prediction tools and predicting power. Enjoy!
NEW EPISODES:
We release main series episodes every two weeks on Mondays. You can subscribe via Podbean or use this feed URL (https://tvpschroders.podbean.com/feed.xml) in Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Google Podcasts and other podcast players.
GET IN TOUCH:
send us a tweet: @TheValueTeam
Important information. This podcast is for investment professionals only.
This information is not an offer, solicitation or recommendation to buy or sell any financial instrument or to adopt any investment strategy.
Any data has been sourced by us and is provided without any warranties of any kind. It should be independently verified before further publication or use. Third party data is owned or licenced by the data provider and may not be reproduced, extracted or used for any other purpose without the data provider’s consent. Neither we, nor the data provider, will have any liability in connection with the third party data.
Reliance should not be placed on any views or information in the material when taking individual investment and/or strategic decisions. Any references to securities, sectors, regions and/or countries are for illustrative purposes only. The views and opinions contained herein are those of individual to whom they are attributed, and may not necessarily represent views expressed or reflected in other communications, strategies or funds.
The value of investments and the income from them may go down as well as up and investors may not get back the amounts originally invested. Exchange rate changes may cause the value of any overseas investments to rise or fall.
Past Performance is not a guide to future performance and may not be repeated.
The forecasts included should not be relied upon, are not guaranteed and are provided only as at the date of issue. Our forecasts are based on our own assumptions which may change.
Tuesday Oct 24, 2023
Tuesday Oct 24, 2023
The 2023 Rugby World Cup final is set as South Africa take on New Zealand for glory on Saturday 28 October in Paris. So, we thought this would be great time to replay the Value Perspective episode that we recorded with professional rugby referee Wayne Barnes back in 2021.
Wayne will be in the thick of the action in Paris this weekend as he has been honored with selection as the match referee for the final. But back in 2021 we spoke to him when the Lions were in the midst of their South Africa tour.
You'll hear how Wayne and his team prepare for matches, the unique pressure of making decisions in a very public setting and how his training as a barrister has helped him be a better referee. Enjoy!
EPISODE NOTES:
1:07 Intro
2:33 Who are the Lions?
3:06 How did Wayne start in reffing?
7:32 How do you structure your decision making as a referee?
12:55 How does referee preparation affect the flow of a game?
18:06 How do you tackle ambiguity in the rules of rugby?
22:09 For referees, their decisions are broadcast in real time through a stadium and on television. How does that environment affect decision making?
25:13 How do you work with other referees during a game?
29:45 How do you allow the context of the game to affect your decision making?
34:48 How is referring held accountable?
39:25 The France v Wales game from the Six Nations
47:35 Who is the hardest player you’ve had to ref?
50:35 Do you segment yourself as a rugby referee from yourself as a rugby fan?
55:56 Book Recommendations
Book Recommendations:
Rebel Allocator by Jake Taylor
Belonging: the Ancient Code of Togetherness by Owen Eastwood
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Important information. This podcast is for investment professionals only.
This information is not an offer, solicitation or recommendation to buy or sell any financial instrument or to adopt any investment strategy.
Any data has been sourced by us and is provided without any warranties of any kind. It should be independently verified before further publication or use. Third party data is owned or licenced by the data provider and may not be reproduced, extracted or used for any other purpose without the data provider’s consent. Neither we, nor the data provider, will have any liability in connection with the third party data.
Reliance should not be placed on any views or information in the material when taking individual investment and/or strategic decisions. Any references to securities, sectors, regions and/or countries are for illustrative purposes only. The views and opinions contained herein are those of individual to whom they are attributed, and may not necessarily represent views expressed or reflected in other communications, strategies or funds.
The value of investments and the income from them may go down as well as up and investors may not get back the amounts originally invested. Exchange rate changes may cause the value of any overseas investments to rise or fall.
Past Performance is not a guide to future performance and may not be repeated.
The forecasts included should not be relied upon, are not guaranteed and are provided only as at the date of issue. Our forecasts are based on our own assumptions which may change.
Monday Oct 23, 2023
Monday Oct 23, 2023
This week on the Value Perspective, we are joined by value stalwart Richard Oldfield. Richard founded Oldfield Partners in 2004, where he managed global funds until 2016, before finally retiring from the firm in 2021. Richard started his career back in the 70s at Warburg Investment Management, which later became Mercury Asset Management. Then he had a stint at a family office before founding Oldfield Partners. He is also the author of Simple but not Easy: a Practitioners Guide to the Art of Investing. The second edition of this book was printed in 2021 after a very successful first run back in 2007. Richard is joined by Simon Adler from the Value Team to discuss: Richard’s learnings over his 30 year career; what can be done in today’s markets to instill a long term view of performance; risk defined as permanent loss of capital or active risk; how much should one hold in Value at any one point in time; and finally, Richard’s experience outside of fund management and how that helped him throughout his career as a fund manager. Enjoy!
NEW EPISODES:
We release main series episodes every two weeks on Mondays. You can subscribe via Podbean or use this feed URL (https://tvpschroders.podbean.com/feed.xml) in Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Google Podcasts and other podcast players.
GET IN TOUCH:
send us a tweet: @TheValueTeam
Important information. This podcast is for investment professionals only.
This information is not an offer, solicitation or recommendation to buy or sell any financial instrument or to adopt any investment strategy.
Any data has been sourced by us and is provided without any warranties of any kind. It should be independently verified before further publication or use. Third party data is owned or licenced by the data provider and may not be reproduced, extracted or used for any other purpose without the data provider’s consent. Neither we, nor the data provider, will have any liability in connection with the third party data.
Reliance should not be placed on any views or information in the material when taking individual investment and/or strategic decisions. Any references to securities, sectors, regions and/or countries are for illustrative purposes only. The views and opinions contained herein are those of individual to whom they are attributed, and may not necessarily represent views expressed or reflected in other communications, strategies or funds.
The value of investments and the income from them may go down as well as up and investors may not get back the amounts originally invested. Exchange rate changes may cause the value of any overseas investments to rise or fall.
Past Performance is not a guide to future performance and may not be repeated.
The forecasts included should not be relied upon, are not guaranteed and are provided only as at the date of issue. Our forecasts are based on our own assumptions which may change.
Monday Oct 09, 2023
Monday Oct 09, 2023
In this episode of our Value Perspective ESG mini-series we’re joined by Arvind Sanger, founder and Managing Director of a hedge fund that focuses on sensible energy transition. We share a mutual friend with Arvind in former guest Arjun Murti. We sat down with Arvind to discuss: what has changed in the energy and material markets in the thirty plus years of his career; how the uranium market works; uranium’s demand and supply impact on the nuclear power sector; and finally nuclear’s main challenges, based on another recent piece on the matter by another former past guest Robert Brice. Enjoy!
NEW EPISODES:
We release main series episodes every two weeks on Mondays. You can subscribe via Podbean or use this feed URL (https://tvpschroders.podbean.com/feed.xml) in Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Google Podcasts and other podcast players.
GET IN TOUCH:
send us a tweet: @TheValueTeam
Important information. This podcast is for investment professionals only.
This information is not an offer, solicitation or recommendation to buy or sell any financial instrument or to adopt any investment strategy.
Any data has been sourced by us and is provided without any warranties of any kind. It should be independently verified before further publication or use. Third party data is owned or licenced by the data provider and may not be reproduced, extracted or used for any other purpose without the data provider’s consent. Neither we, nor the data provider, will have any liability in connection with the third party data.
Reliance should not be placed on any views or information in the material when taking individual investment and/or strategic decisions. Any references to securities, sectors, regions and/or countries are for illustrative purposes only. The views and opinions contained herein are those of individual to whom they are attributed, and may not necessarily represent views expressed or reflected in other communications, strategies or funds.
The value of investments and the income from them may go down as well as up and investors may not get back the amounts originally invested. Exchange rate changes may cause the value of any overseas investments to rise or fall.
Past Performance is not a guide to future performance and may not be repeated.
The forecasts included should not be relied upon, are not guaranteed and are provided only as at the date of issue. Our forecasts are based on our own assumptions which may change.
Monday Oct 02, 2023
Monday Oct 02, 2023
This week we're replaying a podcast episode with Carson Block, founder of Muddy Waters Research, from June 2022. Carson joined us to discuss the contentious topic of short selling. Short selling is an investment or trading strategy that speculates on the decline in a stock or other security’s price. Carson takes an activist approach to short selling, founded on exposing fraudulent practices in publicly traded companies. This challenges the view that short selling, by its nature, is an exploitative practice. We talked to Carson about the probabilistic thinking and psychological framework needed by a contrarian thinker as well as the cross disciplinary collaboration that lies behind exposing unethical financial practices. Enjoy!
NEW EPISODES:
We release main series episodes every two weeks on Mondays. You can subscribe via Podbean or use this feed URL (https://tvpschroders.podbean.com/feed.xml) in Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Google Podcasts and other podcast players.
GET IN TOUCH:
send us a tweet: @TheValueTeam
Important information. This podcast is for investment professionals only.
This information is not an offer, solicitation or recommendation to buy or sell any financial instrument or to adopt any investment strategy.
Any data has been sourced by us and is provided without any warranties of any kind. It should be independently verified before further publication or use. Third party data is owned or licenced by the data provider and may not be reproduced, extracted or used for any other purpose without the data provider’s consent. Neither we, nor the data provider, will have any liability in connection with the third party data.
Reliance should not be placed on any views or information in the material when taking individual investment and/or strategic decisions. Any references to securities, sectors, regions and/or countries are for illustrative purposes only. The views and opinions contained herein are those of individual to whom they are attributed, and may not necessarily represent views expressed or reflected in other communications, strategies or funds.
The value of investments and the income from them may go down as well as up and investors may not get back the amounts originally invested. Exchange rate changes may cause the value of any overseas investments to rise or fall.
Past Performance is not a guide to future performance and may not be repeated.
The forecasts included should not be relied upon, are not guaranteed and are provided only as at the date of issue. Our forecasts are based on our own assumptions which may change